Centuri Thunder Roc

Centuri - Thunderroc {Kit} (5340) [1980-1983]

Contributed by Bill Eichelberger

Construction Rating: starstarstarstarstar
Flight Rating: starstarstarstarstar
Overall Rating: starstarstarstarstar
Manufacturer: Centuri
Style: Sport

OOP - Centuri Thunder RocBrief:
In the somewhat select world of "BIG" model rockets, ("BIG" being a relative term referring to the days before 20 foot tall high-power rockets,) few if any can hold a candle to the Estes Mean Machine from the standpoint of sheer size. While the Mean Machine does define "BIG" with authority, it also presents the modeler with a unique set of challenges, namely storage, transportability, and when painted in it's traditional black color, an unfortunate tendency to warp in the sun. All of these "cons" were in mind when I found a Mean Machine at a recent Hobby Lobby 1/2 off sale, but the sale made the price too friendly to pass on. The Machine languished among the cobwebs of my "banned from sight" second-hand Steelcase desk for quite a while, but inspiration struck me as I paged through my copy of the 1981 Centuri catalog. Building the Mean Machine still didn't hold much interest for me but using my bargain basement Machine to clone the seldom seen Centuri Thunder Roc did. The Thunder Roc is one of a short list of post-merger Centuri rockets that were sold as Centuri kits while using Estes parts. At the time this probably seemed like the ultimate slap in the face to in-the-know Centuri fans, but twenty years on it sure makes cloning these rockets a much more simple undertaking.

OOP - Centuri Thunder RocConstruction:

  • 3 full length BT-60 body tubes
  • 2 BT-60 tube couplers
  • Estes E- Engine hook
  • 1/8" balsa fin stock
  • PNC-60AH
  • Estes 24" nylon parachute
  • 9" BT-50 engine tube
  • 2050 engine block
  • 2 5060 centering rings
  • 5055 centering ring as engine hook hold-down
  • 2 3/16" launch lugs
  • 60" sewing elastic
  • heavy duty snap swivel
  • Plumbers Epoxy Putty
  • decals

While the Mean Machine to Thunder Roc conversion appears to be a simple project at first, it's size alone makes several modifications if not necessary, then at least suggested. Since the Thunder Roc is just a Mean Machine with one less section of BT-60 and one fewer fin, I alternated between using the current Estes instruction sheet for the Mean Machine and the Thunder Roc sheets from JimZ's site. The Thunder Roc is little more than a tall 3FNC rocket and most of the construction went on with nary a problem. I used Elmer's Wood Glue for the whole project, fillets included, but that was one area where deviating from the plan was necessary. I had the body finished and had sprayed on the first coat of primer, then stood it up to allow the top of the body tube to dry. Spray painting in July can be thirsty work, and I went inside for a drink, leaving the primered rocket standing on a stray cooler. Since it had been a still, windless day, I hadn't figured on having to deal with anything resembling a breeze. I should have. Thirty minutes later I came back out onto the porch to find the rocket keeled over with one fin broken off, another fillet broken, and a crease in the body tube. My weekend plans to test fly the primered carcass had been scuttled just that quickly. (I had been drinking Sugar Free Kool Aid, which I regard as proof that clean living will get you nowhere.)

Clearly the old method of filleting the fins was not up to the task on this project. If a fall from an 18" high cooler could do that much damage, I was afraid that the fall from D-powered heights would have me gluing fins (or worse, pieces of fins) back on with each flight. Epoxy was the next logical step but in a different form. I had bought a tube of Plumber's Epoxy Putty several weeks earlier with the intention of trying to make fillets with it. The Thunder Roc seemed like the perfect test subject.

The putty comes in an "airtight" tube and looks like a piece of Cow Tail candy gone horribly wrong. As long as the two shades of grey remain separate, the putty will remain flexible, but once you activate the putty by kneading the two colors together, you are effectively beginning the curing process. I found that the putty mixed easier if I kept dipping my fingers in water. This kept the putty from sticking to my hands and seemed to make it more pliable. (Unfortunately nothing seemed to take the stink of the epoxy out of my fingers.) Once it was mixed to a uniform color I began spreading it in the area between the fin root and the body tube, just like you would when making a normal glue fillet. Some practice is necessary to keep the fillets from turning out too clunky. My first two fillets turned out just this way but it just made the placement of the launch lugs that much easier. (They're on the side of the body tube with the fat fillets and are attached with a set of fairly chunky fillets all their own.) I had originally thought that the increased weight of the fillets would have made the addition of clay to the nose cone a necessary precaution, but a swing test showed that the CP/CG relationship remained pretty much in line. I chalked this up to the increased weight of the Estes nylon chute and crossed my fingers.

Finishing:
OOP - Centuri Thunder Roc After all of the pieces for this rocket had been pounded together, I coated the entire structure with thinned Elmer's Fill 'n' Finish. If you're one of those rare souls who enjoy sanding, this rocket should be right down your pike. There's a whole lot of surface area to be sanded, including two tube connections that are bound to take some extra filling and sanding. I'm not one of those who enjoys this part of the build process, and my particular version of this rocket took quite a bit of extra filling and sanding. It all turned out to be worth it in the end. While the fillets are admittedly large, the whole rocket looks smooth and solid. My hands may never recover but I can grip my Thunder Roc in my misshapen claw and be proud of the job I did. (Well, not actively sickened.) After painting the entire rocket with three coats of Valspar Gloss White paint, I masked off the bottom portion and sprayed it with Valspar Cherry Red Gloss. (That was the closest I found to the suggested "Warm Red" in the Centuri instructions, but the instructions actually said any bright color would do.) The paint colors alone would make this rocket stand out even if it wasn't five and a half feet tall, but the height doesn't hurt. Decals were made using Bel Decal inkjet decal paper and were printed on a LexMark Optra printer, which I've found gives very satisfactory results when the decals are all black. After the decals had been applied, I coated the entire rocket with Krylon Acrylic clearcoat. This was the same clear that I had used in coating the decals before applying them, but I wound up with markedly different results this time. The decals crinkled slightly in several spots but worst of all, the black ink dulled. I let things cure for several weeks after this problem surfaced, then resprayed the entire rocket with a coat of Valspar Clear Gloss. This seems to have taken care of the problem quite nicely as the black decal looks great once again.

Construction Rating: 5 out of 5

OOP - Centuri Thunder RocFlight:
It took a while, including several crushing disappointments, but I finally managed to work in a day when I could get out to launch the Thunder Roc. Although I had built several new rockets in the two months that I wasn't flying, the Thunder Roc was first on the pad for me at VOA on what had turned out to be a perfect day to fly. With an almost total absence of wind, I decided to go with a D12-5 for the first flight. I had intended to use perma wadding on this rocket but got distracted when gluing in the motor mount and realized it too late. This was little more than a minor irritant and I loaded the rocket with a fairly heavy load of dog barf before I installed the nylon parachute. I had used the standard 3/16" Mean Machine launch lugs, but they turned out to be a tight fit on the 3/16" rod. I switched to a longer, but slimmer rod, but so much of the Thunder Roc's mass is above the launch lugs that it moves in even the slightest breeze. This turned out to be a big problem as several times the rocket shifted enough to cross the wires or even pull one of the clips off of the ignitors. I finally got it secured with the addition of a D engine carcass to act as an extra stand off. The rocket whipped somewhat as it left the pad, but straightened out quickly and flew majestically to a higher altitude than I had been lead to expect.

Recovery:
OOP - Centuri Thunder Roc I was determined that the Achilles Heel of the Thunder Roc wasn't going to be it's recovery system. With this in mind I went with the Quest method of anchoring the shock cord by knotting and gluing a length of Kevlar® cord in place with the engine block. I ran the Kevlar® to within six inches of the top of the body tube, then attached a five foot length of 1/4" sewing elastic and an Estes nylon parachute. It seemed like overkill, but the recovery system seemed like the place to go overboard with a rocket of this size. Ejection occurred at apogee, and the rocket recovered with much the same majesty as it had flown with, stretching out to 10+ feet and drifting slowly to the ground. The recovery walk was a little more than normal, but the rocket landed in a soft patch of weeds and showed no ill effects of it's flight. I chalked this up to the non-reefed nylon chute, but then this was the whole reason for choosing it. I'll walk a little extra for a safe recovery on a rocket of this size any day.

Flight Rating: 5 out of 5

OOP - Centuri Thunder RocSummary:
It's hard to find fault with a project like this. Starting with the Estes Mean Machine means that you will not only have a proven baseline to start with, but can also gather all most of the parts you'll need for the project by buying one kit. While Mean Machine flights aren't exactly common, they are seen far more often than the Machine's Centuri-based little brother.

PROs:

  • Easier to transport and store than an Estes Mean Machine while still being noticeably "BIG".
  • Majestic flights.
  • If you make it using a stock Estes Mean Machine kit, you'll have enough parts left over to give you a good start on two Mach 10 clones.

CONs:

  • You'd better have a big rod ready if you plan to fly with the big boys.

Overall Rating: 5 out of 5

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